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Jodo Kam Specialist

Title: Faugh-A-Ballagh Number of posts: 48 Planet/System: Galidraan Credits: 44 Rep: 4 Registration date: 2009-04-06
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Tue May 12, 2009 6:20 pm | |
| | Daennika wrote: | .... Hey, let's talk about this really sensitive debate anyway! How do you think a Mandalorian would extract information from someone?
Now this is why you leave the interrogator alone with the interrogatee, it's simply unbearable. Whether violence is used or not, and there ain't any laws and civil code restraining these "warriors" from getting what they want from who they happen to have in custody.
Plot bunny here, writers. Hinty hint-hint. |
Just in sort of a reply to Daennika’s point. It’s all in relation to the bigger picture but it’s widely agreed by many military sources that torture is of no our little use because of the fact that when a person reaches/crosses there pain threshold they will tell there captors anything to make the pain stop so any info they get is questionable, which comes to Sun Tzu’s the Art of War were he states to verify any information you get from three separate sources before you take it as accurate.
In or dirty little war the most successful method was to turn the captive into your own spy by blackmail, threats on your live or just plain old bribery.
On torture the worst one I heard of was the Japanese would impale you on bamboo shoots tie you down and leave you, with the bamboo growing up to an inch a day inside you.
Not very nice  |
|  | | Pheonix023 Tourist
Number of posts: 9 Credits: 10 Rep: 1 Registration date: 2009-04-15
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Tue May 12, 2009 6:44 pm | |
| [quote="Jodo Kam"] | Daennika wrote: | On torture the worst one I heard of was the Japanese would impale you on bamboo shoots tie you down and leave you, with the bamboo growing up to an inch a day inside you.
Not very nice  |
Really? the worst I heard is the one (I can't remember what its called) where they hang you until your almost dead, cut you down, give you a few minutes to recover, then slice open your stomach, pull out your guts, and while they're still attached to you, chuck em in a fire and make you watch them burn...
yeowch.
And believe it or not, I heard about this when I was in 3rd grade...lol, from my mom. |
|  | | Jodo Kam Specialist

Title: Faugh-A-Ballagh Number of posts: 48 Planet/System: Galidraan Credits: 44 Rep: 4 Registration date: 2009-04-06
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Tue May 12, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| | Pheonix023 wrote: | Really? the worst I heard is the one (I can't remember what its called) where they hang you until your almost dead, cut you down, give you a few minutes to recover, then slice open your stomach, pull out your guts, and while they're still attached to you, chuck em in a fire and make you watch them burn...
yeowch. |
No that would not be very nice at all, but that would be you dead.
Being kept alive whilst the bamboo (as hard as wood cut into a point) slowly growing up through you so in five days it has grown five inches piercing organs as it goes. |
|  | | Daennika Chief

Title: Top Douche in charge Number of posts: 469 Planet/System: Sol, Outer Rim Credits: 537 Rep: 33 Registration date: 2009-03-16
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Tue May 12, 2009 9:18 pm | |
| Death certainly is not the intended result to obtain information and you don't want to make that person lose their mind from the pain either. There are recent studies on the actual effect that pain has on a subject, whether the information given is real at all...
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866
Buuuuuuut coming back to the topic, the type of interrogation used by Mando's should be specific to whoever's leading it. If I would have to write a "torture scene" where a Mandalorian is supposed to be the good guy showing his/her ugly side it would have to be either: a. kinda drawn out and boring, a long conversation that eventually tricks the subjects into telling the information b. a pre-arranged blackmail/setup c. a "good cop, bad cop" thing to get on the subject's nerves
d. five minutes of Bardan Jusik staring motionless |
|  | | Kote Warrior

Number of posts: 144 Planet/System: currently on deep scouting mission in the Unknown Regions Credits: 143 Rep: 15 Registration date: 2009-03-19
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Wed May 13, 2009 4:08 am | |
| Well, if you're really interested in the topic, then I'd recommend to have a look at this: KUBARK (pdf)
It's a CIA manual on coersive questioning, and as far as I remember, it's quite educational. At least, it was written by the professionals.
Uh, sorry, it's practically the same thing which is described in the previous link.
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|  | | Jodo Kam Specialist

Title: Faugh-A-Ballagh Number of posts: 48 Planet/System: Galidraan Credits: 44 Rep: 4 Registration date: 2009-04-06
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Wed May 13, 2009 6:38 pm | |
| Again Daennika its all depends on the plot you are planning on but a Mando in my mind would choose the most efficient and pragmatic way, a long drawn out interrogation with preplanned traps to trip the suspect up just wouldn’t be there style. And the good cop bad cop is a bit lame who has never heard of it. Take the interrogation in triple zero with Vau it’s pretty much left unsaid but what I took from it was Vau said “tell me what you know and I’ll kill you quick if you don’t I’ll kill you very painfully and very slowing”. One situation I have heard of and it’s pretty funny (I know you shouldn’t laugh but it is funny) after the usual run of the mill treatment not working a suspect was taken hooded onto a helicopter and it lifted off, the suspect being ruffed about in the back of the helicopter was aloud to have his hood slip of so he could see how high up he was so rehooded with the helo slowly lowering the questioning begins again if the right answer is not given the suspect is to be thrown out as the terror mounts the helicopters landing gear a foot of the ground even if the suspect has spilt his guts they throw him out to fall a few feet. So you can imagine the mental anguish the suspect is under so the next time he’s taken up again will it be a long aarrrrggghhhh or a short aarrrrggghhhh.  |
|  | | Kote Warrior

Number of posts: 144 Planet/System: currently on deep scouting mission in the Unknown Regions Credits: 143 Rep: 15 Registration date: 2009-03-19
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Sat May 16, 2009 2:42 pm | |
| It sure is funny.  As for laughing at such things being immoral - well, we here are fans of a violent, pragmatic and cruel people, and I don't think anyone expects us to be overly moral. According to my limited knowledge on interrogations, the scheme is usually like this: don't let the object sleep, apply lesser, but wearing pain, never stop asking questions. Or, if you choose to act on the spot, I mean, on the exact spot you caught your unlucky guy and if he's not really tough, you can try to scare him into speaking by shouting at him, threatening to kill him and so on (it works only if the person is in shock). It's a pity I dropped my knife-fighting lessons, the guy who taught me knew a lot about the actual procedures. |
|  | | RC-2017 Sergeant
Title: Just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe. Number of posts: 67 Planet/System: The shipyards, Sol system Credits: 88 Rep: 2 Registration date: 2009-05-25
 | Subject: Re: Question I hope you guys might answer... Thu May 28, 2009 12:58 pm | |
| The article made me laugh a lot. Noble and 'hero'? What do they think we are, anyway? Jetii? | Quote: | | As for laughing at such things being immoral - well, we here are fans of a violent, pragmatic and cruel people, and I don't think anyone expects us to be overly moral. |
I nearly spit my drink reading the helicopter torture method. Don't feel guilty for laughing- funny is funny.
As for me, if I were trying to get information from a stubborn mark, I'd opt more for psychological torture, although actual harm would always be on the table. I'd also hint at them being released for being talkative, whether I had any intention to do so or not. He'd lie to save his own shebs, so why not lie to make him talk?
As far as morals go- scruples are nice, but don't let them handicap you. |
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